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    sampowers is offline Intermediate Member
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    Question using zimbra on mailing lists

    I love the ZWC, but there are a couple of problems that stop me wanting to use it to post on mailing lists -- especially the kind of mailing list where users are pedantic about list etiquette. What's important is that people are not distracted from the message in the email I send by strange formatting. Mutt, for one, seems to make a point of helping its users shame senders of unconventional mail by putting bold red symbols on the beginning of every line which it must soft wrap.

    A plain text email should wrap lines before sending the message. How do I make the ZWC do this?

    A mailing list email should never be top-posted. How can I make Zimbra bottom-post, so I can reply to individual points in an email?

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    You can fudge bottom posting by choosing 'Include original with Prefix Below' and Compose as: Text.

    You can't have automatic hard wrap yet, see (and vote for) bug 31621 and the bug 425 which someone appears to think it's a duplicate of (clearly, I disagree).

    You also can't have In-Reply-To header threading, see my bug 31252, and someone else's bug 5935. I see no hope of this fix ever getting scheduled, since they continue intractably to consider failing to comply with RFCs an RFE topic, not a bug.

    You *also* can't have any reasonable way to read mailing lists forwards in folders, see bug 31648.

    It doesn't understand RFC 2369 Mailing List headers, either, and I *thought* I'd filed a bug on that, but I can't find it.

    In short, if you like Mutt, you will probably *hate* ZWC with a pretty much unbridled passion, and I see no noise from anyone authorized to make noise that any of it will change, any time soon.
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    Honestly I could never really stand Mutt. Like a lot of its ilk, it's very user friendly, it's just very picky about its friends. I prefer the ZWC to Mutt, just because it's so much easier to use.

    I wonder how many ZWC users (or dare I say maintainers) participate in real, actual internet mailing lists. Things like bad threading, bad wrapping, and bad quoting can make one look like a real jerk on those lists. I don't want to be that jerk.

    It seems like my best bet for mailing lists is to have them delivered to my mailbox but use Alpine for participating on mailing lists.

    Since it seems to me you're the kind of person who respects RFCs, but also uses Zimbra, I have to ask: What's your workaround?

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    Aw, a fan. :-)

    I'm quite sure, from the design problems (they're not bugs), that none of them spend any appreciable time on mailing lists, or different design decisions would have been taken at pivotal points.

    As I noted, you can get bottom quoting for the price of 2 blank-line deletions; I hard wrap by hand, and rewrap quotes when necessary.

    It is, yes, a cast iron pain in the ass, but since the "can't read forwards" bug is reducing my participation in general -- and I'm insanely busy with 2 workstation refresh rollouts at work -- it's been less pressing to me.

    As you may have noted, I've filed about 35 bugs; these are my most prominent issues (along with RFC 2369 support). I encourage the 2 or 3 of you out there that I know about who understand these issues, and care, to vote for the appropriate bugs in the list above (if my bug was duped onto someone else, and I didn't yank it back off, vote for the older bug).

    If they get 50 or 100 votes, they'll get some of this stuff done.

    A complete list of the bugs I personally have opened is here.

    If you're a commercial licensee, note your seat count in a comment on the bug after you vote; money talks, too.
    Last edited by Baylink; 10-13-2008 at 07:54 AM.
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