All the Yahoo stuff around

[arkanis]

Well... I made the transition from 5.0.6 to 5.0.8 yesterday on our server. I'm very happy about the stability, bug fixing that has been done, speed has been increased and it's a very good thing.

On the other hand, I'm kind of worried about all the Yahoo marketing crap that's floating around now. I've paid for the license, the accounts, the archive feature... I don't think I need to have Yahoo flagged everywhere in my webclient, it feels almost like ads or advertising and users here are not very happy with it.

When you switch to one of the themes, it's even writen "Yahoo Mail" ? WTF ?

I know Zimbra is owned by Yahoo, but until Zimbra changes it's name, I want zimbra on it and not Yahoo thingy. Smileys already made the way on this release I see. I'm kind of worried.


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[uxbod]

Rebrand for your own themes ? If you were using Exchange would you say the same thing ?

[arkanis]

I have to disagree strongly with this reply.

I migrated from Exchange because Zimbra offered me open source, strong stability, an excellent support, amazing people on the forums.

It stills deliver that, but the branding has become omnipresent, and it's not a good thing.

And speaking about Exchange, I unplugged it when we had the 2003 version, and it was a LOT less branded than the Zimbra Webclient.

But as you say, I will have to digg around how the rebrand stuff on the themes if that is the only way to go (but I still beleive it's wrong).

[uxbod]

I have pretty much a vanilla 5.08NE installation and with respect to Y! the only thing I have removed is the search bar. I personally use the Sky theme and do not see any Y! branding/marketing at all. If you wish to remove some of these things then let us know and we can help you out

[tdesorbaix]

For the Yahoo theme you can just remove it from the available themes in the COS.

For the Yahoo search bar you just have to use the following command :
zmprov mc COSname zimbraFeatureWebSearchEnabled FALSE
(cf yahoo search bar thread)

[jholder]

Originally Posted by arkanis

I have to disagree strongly with this reply.

I migrated from Exchange because Zimbra offered me open source, strong stability, an excellent support, amazing people on the forums.

It stills deliver that, but the branding has become omnipresent, and it's not a good thing.

And speaking about Exchange, I unplugged it when we had the 2003 version, and it was a LOT less branded than the Zimbra Webclient.

But as you say, I will have to digg around how the rebrand stuff on the themes if that is the only way to go (but I still beleive it's wrong).

It's called a brand. If you don't like it, don't use the "crap". We are Yahoo. Yahoo is Zimbra. Get it?


./install.sh -u

[bigmudcake]

I find the "yahoo mail" logo and absense of "Zimbra" branding confusing for me and my users.

I constantly have to explain to them "no your not using the free Yahoo Mail provided by the Yahoo web services but our company email with a skin branded Yahoo Mail". Yahoo has a Yahoo Mail system accessed at mail.yahoo.com and a collaborative suite called Zimbra. Please don't confuse the two for us users by mis-branding your products.

I personally find it particularly confusing as I use Yahoo Mail quite often (the mail service provided by Yahoo not to be confused with Zimbra web client) and the Zimbra client and find it more difficult to know which one is open when I have them open at the same time.

And second, isn't it in violation of the license that requires the Zimbra logo to be part of any skin (or changes to a skin in open source edition).

[arkanis]

Jholder, I'm kind of surprised of your reaction... I was maybe wrong in calling it "crap", but the way you are pointing it to me is wrong and agressive.

I'm also surprised because I remember you as a nice guy on the forums always willing to help everyone around. And this STFU thing with the uninstall command is insulting.

As long as a brand exist, clients of that brand collaborate and exchange ideas because they beleive they could make the product better. As wrong as my statements could be, I deeply beleive that intrusive brand is a bad thing no matter what product we are talking about, and I made my statement because usualy when I wrote things here in the past people listened and even implemented the things I was needing in the product. So there you have it.

If I was using the open source edition, I wouldn't have complained at all since I would be using something amazing given to me for free. But I'm paying for this product, and even if the developer is in it's own rights to take the ways he want, he should listen to the user base.

You don't like the way I said things, just say it politely and I will be open to discussion and even understand a lot of things. But the STFU way is bad, and worst since you are a Yahoo employee (and you sounded much like a Yahoo evangelist).

Intrusive branding is a bad thing, always been and will always be.


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[uxbod]

Most of the code/themes etc are common between FOSS and NE I believe so having different branding etc in place IMHO would be a pain to maintain. Hence Zimbra allow NE customers to rebrand the look and feel to their own.

When ever a company is acquired by somebody else the norm is to usually make the product fit the purchasers brand. A huge investment was made in Zimbra by Y! so I am not surprised to see more of their mark being introduced.

[bdial]

Is it that you have something against a big brand such as yahoo? The zimbra logo has always been plastered across the product, on the login screen, all the apps, even when you print e-mails it has a header, but usually people were fine with the ability to rebrand with themes and accept that the company would advertise themselves.