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    Unhappy Debian Native Install - confused -

    Hello,

    Is it possible to install only zimbra?
    And configure the dependecy (postfix,ldap,apache) ?

    I concern that it's messing up my current working system!

    Why?
    zimbra-postfix
    zimbra-apache
    zimbra-ldap
    I need only zimbra as deb-package?


    I read a lot in this forum but it's not actually telling me:
    • YES - it's safe for a existing systems (install only zimbra-common)
    • YES - but you have to change a lot of your configuration files
    • No - your system will be a mess, afterwards



    any suggestions?

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    Hi,

    Zimbra is an all-in-one Collaboration Suite, so the short answer is you'll need all the packages. Please have a look at the Installation guide for the services that it provides and the ports that it will occupy on your server.

    You will have to disable any existing services that conflict with ZCS prior to installation. (ie ldap, mta's, web servers etc).

    Brian.

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    You need to install the whole package, it's called the Zimbra Collaboration Suite and it's all of them.

    You'll have to remove postfix from your system, you can continue to run apache but ldpa will need to be changed to another port.

    You asked 'why?' - the answer is that Zimbra is supposed to be installed on a dedicated server without those other applications running and, as I've already said, it's the complete package.
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    Default Splitting

    That's what i thought!

    So then
    • Are there any plans to get a splitted version for debian?
    • Is there a way to install only the components by hand? (is there someone which made id)


    If not Zimbra is not an alternative for my exchange,open-exchange and workgroup servers.

    Cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by killermood View Post
    That's what i thought!

    So then
    • Are there any plans to get a splitted version for debian?
    • Is there a way to install only the components by hand? (is there someone which made id)
    No.

    Quote Originally Posted by killermood View Post
    If not Zimbra is not an alternative for my exchange,open-exchange and workgroup servers.

    Cheers
    Yes, it is a complete replacement for that environment. Is this a Network Edition or OSS version that you're looking at? The answer is a dedicated server for Zimbra or move the LDAP & Apache apps to different server than Zimbra.
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    Lightbulb Replacement

    My Review and answer for myself is done:
    • Zimbra is probably not what I'am looking for:
    • it needs to touch already working system components.
    • it does not integrate properly by this in working environment
    • it is not native Debian compliant (native package server, installation)
    • therefore security updates will not be provided
    • apache2, postfix, ldap are security critical components and if
      they stay outside the debian security repository this is not a solution for me


    If there are any plans to provide a Version which integrate well into debian system or if any user made a opensource fork which integrates well i will
    consider Zimbra as solution.

    Thanx for your help.

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    Quote Originally Posted by killermood View Post
    My Review and answer for myself is done:
    Really? I'd be interested in how Exchange fitted into your perfectly secure debian world that you're describing.

    As mentioned earlier, it doesn't touch any of your 'already working system components' it does install on it's own server. Methinks you're missing the point.
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    Hello,

    That IS the point.

    I'am not talking large scale, where generating additional job for maintaining
    addidional dedicated server is not a problem.

    I'am looking for a opensource groupware which fits into existing IT-Infrastructur.

    • Exchange is not maintained from me.
    • It generates too much costs and is not extendable in a opensource way.
    • Exchange is NOT fitting in any secure environment (my opinion)
    • Hell - I'm looking for REAL alternatives (why I would be on this site else?)


    There are a lot of customization in my postfix, samba, apache, tomcat
    setup.

    • Attachment Striping to samba shares
    • Mailinglists
    • Ticket, Ordering and Bugtracking System
    • Archiving System
    • Enterprise Virus Checking


    just to name some.
    well - those system has to stay productive.

    I will have a deeper look and already try out zimbra on a dedicated machine....

    w'll see

    PS: How will you guarantee security to all those packages?
    Don't you think that a team of security experts (like the Debian Security Team is)
    can provide better services?
    Last edited by killermood; 12-21-2006 at 05:38 PM.

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    It looks to me like your primary question is whether or not you can fork parts of Zimbra.

    The answer is nope. Zimbra comes with its own mysql, apache, lucene, postfix, etc. All of these components are specifically engineered/configured for the Zimbra Collaboration Suite.

    There has been some discussion in the forums about installing zimbra on to existing postfix/mysql installation, although I'm not sure it's really gotten anywhere.

    This is a collaboration suite, and not really a "full groupwhere" solution quite yet. What I mean by that, is that you don't login and get a "home page" with 5 messages in your inbox, company news, etc.

    E-mail, notebook, calandaring, and in the future possibly chat.

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    Default Well

    Well, I setup a dedicated working debian sarge system now.
    I took about 3 Hours.Still some problems... (maybe i add a tuto in the wiki)

    There are tons of setting and I still have to get the overview....
    -I'am start to getting the clue why everything is tied together.
    -Especially the Queue View is very nice.

    What i probably can imagine is to set the whole suite on nonstandart ports
    and to set them behind the real system so it gets proxied and I do not
    loose my setup.

    Example
    --------
    Debian Standart Zimbra Suite
    25 Postfix-----------------1000025 zimbra-postfix
    80 Apache (mod_proxy)----1000080 zimbra-apache


    This is also how my Zope-Setup works.

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