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Old 11-24-2008, 08:28 PM
mmorse mmorse is offline
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As I see it, PMweb really is a little out of date; for instance we have no OpenSUSE 64-bit. We'll get someone to update it.

I think the confusion stems around our definition on PMweb's help page: "EOL - The release is end of life'd meaning that it is no longer supported. Customers are strongly encouraged to migrate to a newer version of the ZCS."

Works on the outside release numbers, but when interpreted on the platforms list the problem is that we've used that same EOL marking at times to specify either:
A) "This is the last release that we'll build it for."
B) "We are not going to produce builds for this version (NE or FOSS as noted) at all with this release."

To make matters worse our history in PMweb doesn't help. For instance with 5.0 we marked Mac 10.4 PPC as EOL when it was really sunset, and shouldn't even been listed under platforms at all, as we never released a FRANKLIN build of it. Same with Debian 3.1, or Mandriva being GA & EOL in one major release.

(Yes, EOL, vs un-supported, vs sunset, vs discontinued vs whatever other term - could/should really be separate definitions and consistent.)

Not-authoritative (PMweb will get updated), but I foresee it being:

Builds ending with 5.0.12 (or last 5.0.x):
- OpenSUSE 10
Sorry Bill B.

Predict ends with 6.0.12 (ie: last 6.0.x):
- RHEL 4 32/64bit
- Ubuntu 6.06.1 LTS 32/64bit
- SLES 10 (32/64-bit)
- Mac OS X 10.4 (Intel)
- Debian 4
- Fedora 7

I know at that point RHEL 4 will still have 'phase 3' support, and Ubuntu 6 a whole year. (No one in the forums figured RHEL4/Ubuntu6 would go past ZCS 6.5.12 anyways, and as they're marked EOL for GNR on PMWeb, 6.0.12 is not too hard of a stretch.)

Also realize that we won't pull existing version specific code, build logic, and defs, so it will be easier to produce community releases for these probably well into ZCS 7.0. Infact, it's an awesome time for the opensource builders to shine.

Some of you will breathe a sigh of relief that RHEL 4 EOL will probably mean the last release we'll build it for is 6.0.12 not 6.0.0, while others I'm sure will scream bloody murder over sunset of SLES 10 on NE a year from now with ZCS 6.5, or Debian 4 on FOSS. I totally understand. Always welcome to comment as you see fit - just keep in mind we're fluid, and that list is really in regards to just current platforms; certainly voice your support for Debian 5 & SLES 11 when given the opportunity. I've run OpenSUSE as a desktop and will miss it's departure along with the rest of it's fans. We have lots of things to consider when we discontinue one build (or add another, if we think the platform list has shrunk enough) - I will definitely note respective viewpoints and defend your thoughts where I can.
Remember it's a guess, take it with a grain of salt. Plus I've been known to eat my words a few times

Last edited by mmorse; 11-25-2008 at 10:09 AM.. Reason: grammar
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