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Originally Posted by holden

Really? Perhaps I'm missing something, when I connected to the Yahoo IMAP servers I had to send an ID saying I was Zimbra before they would let me authenticate. I also talked to the Yahoo! people at the hack day, and they said that Yahoo! didn't offer IMAP support.

Then, according to what I've seen on the Intarwebs, they didn't know what they were talking about. Yahoo has supported IMAP, in one fashion or another, for some subset of customers or another, since 2006, at least.

I didn't just use only my code to do this, I also attempted it in evolution since I figured my IMAP implementation could be a bit off. Perhaps I missed something incredibly obvious (does happen from time to time). I'd be very interested in knowing what the correct IMAP settings are, rather than my reverse engineered ones since that would help with a project I am working on. Could you provide a pointer to that? It would be greatly appreciated, thanks

A pointer to what? How to make an SSL session to a server that refuses it?

No, I'm pretty sure no one has a pointer to that.

I'm under the impression that I was reasonably civil, but we often have better opinions of our own behavior.

As to why you should be civil in general, I can't really make a good argument for that but it certainly would make this discussion easier.

Holder has to be easier to get along with; he works there, I don't.

And I'm not being uncivil.

"Uncivil" would be "copyedit your blog before you hit post, dude; all the typos make you look dumb".

Before dragging Zimbra's name into something that doesn't really have all that much to do with them -- if Yahoomail's server refuse IMAP/TLS, that's really not Zimbra's fault -- you should have done some more due diligence.

I'm not trying to place blame on Zimbra.

Originally Posted by slashdot

"Yahoo!'s acquisition of open source mail client Zimbra has apparently brought some baggage to the mail team.

Sure looks like you are to me...

And, again: Zimbra is, so far as I can tell, a tiny little division of Yahoo, not even in the same building -- and maybe not the same state -- with Yahoomail.

Just cause it all says Yahoo on it... furrfu.

My goal was to get this fixed. Perhaps Yahoo! was not the people to talk to, but they were sitting right across from me, and it was for Yahoo!'s IMAP servers so I figured they would be a reasonable group to talk to.

And well they should have been.

So, how does that justify your lede?

Not in the chain of command? Maybe I don't understand how this works, but they were on the dev side of Yahoo! (not like HR or ops). If they had asked me to talk to someone specific at Zimbra I certainly would have, but they were just uninterested. If you feel that my blog post was uncalled for, I would respectfully disagree, but I think this is one of those situations where neither of us will convince the other, so agreeing to disagree may be the best course of action?

I agree that if Yahoo mail people were uninterested that Yahoo mail's servers refused IMAP/TLS, that they suck, but we already knew Yahoomail sucked.

I just don't see how that justifies dragging Zimbra's name through Slashdot's mud.